27 Jun, 2021 06:22 PM

Public verses Homeschool!?

Why are more people concerned with the socialization and not the academics of public school? Why are you for or against homeschool or public school? Be specific please! I realize this is a 2-part question, but they go hand in hand I think! Update: OK, I have to respond to some things. We all have heard the stories of the badlt sheltered homeschooled child. What about the physco kids that go around shooting their classmates, the ones that are products of public schools? Why doesn't anyone ever bring that up? It is happening all the time. What about the ones sitting on death row for murder or rape? Numbers show that these criminals are most likely to be a product of public school. PLese tell if you have any experience with homeschool or public school, it makes your answer more valid. Update 2: to The Elder god What if the homeschooling parent does not use only books but trips to see what they are learning about with other students? What about hands on classes? Not all homeschoolers teach from a book, however, most public school teachers do use only a book since they are limited in what they can do. Also, what about the kids that are in church 3 times a week with same aged children and church activities, and playgroups and field trips, are those considered socialization? Or is just public school considered to be proper socialization?

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WA
27 Jun, 2021 06:22 PM

Well... ok. First of all, public education is not supposed to be a place to "toughen up" children. Juvenile detention is that place. Unfortunately, public education has become a place of education. It has become a place to teach children about drugs, sexuality (I'm not speaking about health class, but students teaching each other), alcohol, vulgarity, and violence. It is a place to learn about racism and inequality. It is a place to learn about "teaching to a test". It is a place to learn that school is about socialization, but in fact socialization in the schools is really socialism in the form of children lining up in rows and being forced to sit quietly in lunchrooms, not permitted to share their lunches with each other or to speak except in very quiet whispers (according to several teachers and parents of public schooled children), children all forced to wear the same clothes so that they look exactly alike, and only permitted to speak to each other on very rare occassions or at the end of the day while walking out to the bus. It's about cliques and teacher's pets and children who are ostricized by other children. And yes, there are children who are outcasts and who don't get along well with others. And anyone who thinks that is somehow limited to homeschooled children has no idea what they are talking about.
Then there are homeschooled children. Homeschooled children spend the day in a variety of different ways depending on the parents, the state that they are homeschooled in, etc.
This is the day in the life of mine. They get up in the morning, some time between 9 and 10 a.m. They have breakfast, or not. They begin their schoolwork in their pajamas. They may leave their breakfast for a bit later if they feel like it. After a while they may do one of their chores to break up the day. Then they may have an appointment or may just keep at schoolwork. We may have a field trip, or not. We may go to the library that day. If it's in the summer we may go to the zoo or the park and check out the different animals or the wildlife. One year we disected a hornets nest that had been exterminated and looked at it under a microscope. One year we had mice and watched them have babies and sold them back to the pet store. We've had hamsters, a hedgehog, cats, spiny mice, long-haired mice, and a lizard. We once rescued a squirrel that fell from a tree and fed it from an eye dropper.
My 13 yo daughter takes tae kwon do classes with people from ages 12 through adult and is half way to getting her black belt and is in her Junior High group at church. My other daughter was on swim team for quite some time and went to Nike Swim Camp at Ohio State University. My two oldest children are in Leaders Club at the YMCA with kids from age 13 through 18 and are in their high school youth group at church. They are all excellent swimmers and love kayaking, canoeing, playing volleyball and riding bikes. The youngest is taking a class at the Y for strength training. The youngest is learning to play drums, the oldest guitar. The middle one writes and illustrates her own books and the other two write poetry and the oldest writes film scripts and is interested in script writing. The middle daughter wants to open her own art school some day. The youngest isn't sure what she wants to do yet. Hey, she's only 13.
They don't do drugs, drink, smoke, and are not sexually active. My 17 year old son has a girl friend but my daughters (15 and 13) do not yet date.
They are by no means perfect children. They have their problems and there are times when I could cheerfully drop them off at their grandfather's house for a week or two. But I know that if they were in public, or even private school, that they would not be the children that they are today.
More importantly, I would not have the relationship with them that I have. They come to me with their problems. They tell me everything and anything. My children share things with me that I would never have shared with my parents. I know that they don't smoke, drink, do drugs, because if they did, they would come to me and tell me. I know some of you are reading this and saying, "oh yeah, sure they would", but I say that because my children do come to me with things that they are sure I will not be pleased with. But they know I will not scream and yell. We will discuss it, if there is punishment due, it will happen, we may cry together over it, and we will move on. It will not be talked about again. There is no guilt. It is then history. They are loved very much. We have spent our lives together. Not just a few hours a day, but a very, very large portion of our days.
I wouldn't trade homeschooling for anything else in the world. I think that they are the best kids in the world because of it.

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FR
27 Jun, 2021 06:23 PM

After reading all the answers, I think the answer to your first question is obvious: people don't know what the heck they are talking about. They haven't spent any considerable time with a variety of homeschoolers, they have total misconceptions about what it means (" i would never consider home schooling because they wont be social"--good thing you don't homeschool if you're going to keep them locked up all day, but that's not what most homeschoolers do!), they keep spouting myths they've heard and believe and don't actually THINK about what THEY would do if they were homeschooling. They come up with some grand rationalizations, but rationalizations don't prove anything and can be totally faulty when based on false premises.

I am for whatever is best for the kids. I have been around families who should definitely not homeschool. I know people who would probably be great homeschoolers but they're not the least bit interested--public school is the best choice for them right now. I've met a couple of homeschooling families I'm not convinced should be homeschooling. HOMESCHOOLING'S SUCCESS DEPENDS ENTIRELY ON HOW PARENTS GO ABOUT IT. If the parents are unable or unwilling to make it successful, then they should let the institutional schools do it.


QU
27 Jun, 2021 06:23 PM



That first question is a great one. I've always wondered that myself. Today's kids think that school and life are just about having a lot of money, being popular, and being famous. Sometimes people can do very bad things just to get these. School is supposed to be about learning academics so that you can get a good job and provide a future for your family.

I am for homeschool b/c it lets kids develop at their own pace. You get socialization time when you are a homeschooler, too. Everyone seems to miss that point. I'm for public school b/c it teaches you about real life situations, even if you don't learn that much academic wise. But then again, many great educational scholars came from public schools.

These two questions are very good discussion topics and I wish I could say more. What are your opinions?

Good Luck ;)

TY
27 Jun, 2021 06:23 PM

It's pretty obvious that when you read the responses, the people who have a negative view have either little or no exposure to homeshoolers. Additionally, comments like "they need to be socialized" are really an opinion on HOW they should be socialized. Being like everyone else isn't socialization.

Other comments, like "they are a lot different than people that went to public schools" are telling. Different, of course, must be bad, because if it's not like me, it's bad? I think that something is missing in the critical thinking here.

Basic knowledge of the subject ought to at least be part of the discussion. When people talk about socialization like it's a compelling reason not to homeschool, the factors they point out are interesting. Not being able to get along with others...total isolation...hermitage....loners....outca...

Socialization is simply the process of interacting with the society. I'll restate my position again. Never in your life will you be in a more skewed and manufactured social situation than when you are in public school. The chances of you socializing outside your age group are nil. The chances of you socializing outside your economic group are about the same. You may get a chance, depending on where you live, to have some ethnic interaction...but that's not guaranteed. When you step outside of highschool, you will never again be in a social situation that is similar. Is that a "good" way to socialize? KIds can't talk to adults...kids won't interact with others outside their age spectrum. If you don't have the right shoes, the right pants, the right sunglasses, you can't be accepted. You won't be allowed that kind of behavior in the work world...it's too risky for the employer.

Read the paper and see how many homeschoolers are in the news for anti-social behavior. Better yet, read this article from the National Association for College Admission Counseling: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa...

I went to public school. I know what it's like. I homeschool my kids. I know what it's like. When people who have no experience, use no critical thinking, and have no initiative to even do a little online research start responding as if they have knowledge, it's frustrating.



AD
27 Jun, 2021 06:24 PM

I was hyomeschooled right from primary to the end of highschool (year 13), and I am now studying fulltime as well as starting a part timecourse on the side (B-Arts). By the time I was 17 (last year) I was almost single handedly running a club kitchen. I have worked as a camp leader for the past 4 years and have never NOT been offered a job I applied for, bar once. While it can be difficult socialy, I have never been without a large group of friends with a wide age range. My mother brought my sister and I up on her own, and she is not a qualified teacher. I have been accepted into both academic and music university courses. I have top grades in my class this year. I have a songwriting contract with a record company and I play 3 instruments as well as sing. Oh, and my family is in the lowest income range in the country.

This is not to say that all homeschoolers have had the advantages I have, but it's not all bad.